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Interview with the Pickering Brothers

November 22, 2009

I’m listening to the Pickering brothers’ interview on Project Camelot and it must be one of the most fascinating exchanges I’ve heard.

They describe three races of extraterrestrials that their “Source A,” a mid-ranking U.S. Naval officer, has spoken to as a member of one or more international working groups trying to move disclosure ahead. One of the three races is a reptilian species which they describe as resembling an 8-foot tall T-Rex. You’ll have to listen to the interview for more details.

In Matthew’s recent message, Hatonn discussed some of the complexities that the galactics were having to deal with in approaching the initial disclosure interview scheduled, Hatonn says, for “one to two months from now, at the outside.”  (1)  The Pickering brothers interview shows just how complex the situation may in fact be.

One quote from that interview. The people inside the secret government who are pushing for disclosure are doing so because “there have been too many ruined careers, too many bodies, too many destroyed lives. Enough is enough. They’re tired of it.”


I don’t think we’ll agree on all the questions that the interview raises – such as the fact that a global working group on disclosure is negotiating with two races who are not humanoid. The prevailing wisdom in the 2012 community, as far as I’m aware, was that the Galactic Federation is only letting galactic humans near the Earth.

Here is SaLuSa on the matter:

“Mankind has a long held fear of the unknown, and so often explains it away as the work of some evil entities. It is for this reason that our initial contact with you will be through civilisations like our own, who are very human looking.

“We understand your feelings, and have gone to great lengths to ensure that we approach you in an acceptable way. First Contact will largely comprise of civilisations that have been closely linked to you for eons of time.” (2)

The sources who speak through Sheldan Nidle, calling themselves the Spiritual Hierarchy and Galactic Federation, go further and say that non-human species are not allowed closer to Earth than the outer ring of spaceships:

“The section where rotation most often takes place is in the Outer Ring of Ships. It is here that the newer members of the Galactic Federation predominate. Because of Humanity’s present bias, the Inner Ring is reserved mainly for the Human Member States.” (3)

“The First Contact Fleet, consisting of many components, is largely concerned with our coming Mass Contact. Our direct contact personnel are Humans who hail from the Pleiades Star League, the constellations of Andromeda, Lyra, Perseus and Aries, as well as the Sirius Star-nation. These Beings have been schooled in the special protocols that you will require.”  (4)

The question below our fear of non-humans is whether we will be dominated or destroyed by them; i.e., are they “good” or “evil”? Matthew Ward assures us on that score.

“The light grid around Earth permits entry by light beings only; even if dark entities wanted to enter, they cannot approach the brilliance of that grid.” (5)

Does all this information which runs counter to what the Pickerings say mean that the Pickerings are wrong? Not in my estimation.  It just means that we have not heard the whole story and that there is more to be said that comprises the “big picture,” far larger than I comprehend, in which the “Hot Rocks” and the “T-Rexes” may conceivably fit.

However the two new species was not the reason I recommend this interview, as interesting as that aspect of things might be.

Rather, it’s because of the incredible attention the Pickerings place on clearly and accurately establishing the status or basis of their knowledge.

On occasion, we’ve discussed how important it is to be clear about the status of one’s knowledge. Are we saying that we know something to be true? Feel it to be true? Have heard it described as true? Are guessing about it?

Most arguments arise because someone questions the status of our knowledge. “How do you know that?” they say and the argument begins.

If you listen to the way the Pickering brothers establish what the status of their knowledge is, you’ll hear two people being exceptionally careful and precise.

I know, for myself, that any nuance of “unfinished business” will interfere with this “clarity.” The Pickering brothers are so clear that they are practically transparent.

In other words, when you hear them speak, it is as if you are hearing Source A himself. The Pickering brothers “get out of the way” of their source.

I’m convinced that the more we can be like the Pickering brothers, as they presented themselves in that interview, the more useful we can be to the world in the events that lie ahead.

In everyday terms, that means being clear about the status of our knowledge, but at a deeper level it means completing our unfinished business, what stands in the way of our being transparent, what calls the ego into being in this moment.

So whether you like what you hear about the ETs involved, if you want to hear two people who are what I consider to be pretty advanced representatives of the type of Lightworker who will make a difference in the New Era, you may want to listen to Shawn and Clay Pickering.

Their interview is at


(1) Matthew and Hatonn in Matthew’s Message, Nov. 18, 2009, at at

(2) SaLuSa, Mar. 27, 2009 at For readers who are interested in a detailed account of a friendly reptilian civilization, see Suzy Ward’s interview with Horiss of Lacone, in First Contact,  at

(3) Spiritual Hierarchy and Galactic Federation, “Update,” Aug. 31, 2004, through Sheldan Nidle, Galactic Federation of Light: Updates Archive 1997-2007, at

(4) SHGF,  May 7, 2002, ibid.

(5) Matthew’s Message, June 24, 2009, at

One Comment leave one →
  1. December 25, 2009 10:11 pm

    Dear Steve,

    Shawn and I appreciate very much your comments and stoicism with this phenomenon. There is so damn much to this that it is impossible at the present time to nail down what we do know and don’t know. When we gave this interview with Project Camelot we wanted to be very specific with what we have been privy to.

    What we do know is that there are many programs and agendas on both sides to the UFO/ET phenomena. What we are sure of based on the many conversations with our Navy source is that there are at least 4 distinct ET races visiting [?] this planet. Yes, the Conformers (primarily silicon-based) fly in the face of ufological historical research, but we feel it is another important cog to the wonders of the cosmos.

    Shawn and I can honestly say that this “new species” is nothing but a further unveiling pushing us closer to disclosure and contact. We stand by our source 100%! Folks, think about it. Ya just can’t make this stuff up. It serves no purpose! Please keep your minds open as we move forward.


    Clay and Shawn Pickering

    P.S. Yes, Steve. When we speak, we speak from the many hours our source has ingrained in us. We will not deviate from this one iota!

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